Hallo, new novice noob, newbie and part time fool here

Hi there, I am trying to get into Manjoro XFCE as my first Linux distro and planning to install it on my laptop but just need a few things answered/

I am correct to assume Arch and Manjoro is the right distro to go with if you really want to learn Linux compared to say.. Ubuntu, what I mean by that is that the user is expected to configure and learn how things work and stuff is not really just automated if that makes sense...

second. since its rolling release and im new to it is it fair to assume a beginner can get into this as his first distro and maintain a functioning system without breaking it for atleast 1 year without doing anything crazy ?

Third, I have a rather old Laptop ( Dell m4500 ) and it also doesnt have much Harddisk space and planning to save for a new one instread of upgrading my HDD but it has a 500gig and currently has 200gig ffree space, what would the recommened hard disk space should I leave for Manjaro, I would like to leave atleast 80gig for windows and hopefully dedicate 50 - 120 gig on linux, I am just planning to learn some new programming languages and command lines, shelkl, terminal etc etc., I will probably try video editing and 3d modeling down the line when I get a new laptop and by then I hope I will be much more familliar with Manjaro and Linux as a whole.

Reason I want to try Manjaro is because I have had some read/watched some good things about it and the forum users are honest with your comments, seen some people recommend others distros that might fit a users needs better meaning there is no censorship or biased blind fandom on here...

Like KDE, think my laptop can handle it ?

Summary
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU
Intel Core i7 620M @ 2.67GHz
Arrandale 32nm Technology
RAM
4.00GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 532MHz (7-7-7-20)
Motherboard
Dell Inc. 0RRH3K (CPU 1)
Graphics
M2362D (1920x1080@59Hz)
1024MB NVIDIA Quadro FX 880M (Dell)
Storage
465GB Seagate ST9500420AS (SATA)
7GB Kingston DataTraveler 2.0 USB Device (USB)
Optical Drives
HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GU10N
Audio
High Definition Audio Device

Thx in advance for all the answers and excuse my messy writing.

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I am correct to assume Arch and Manjoro is the right distro to go with if you really want to learn Linux compared to say.. Ubuntu, what I mean by that is that the user is expected to configure and learn how things work and stuff is not really just automated if that makes sense...
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second. since its rolling release and im new to it is it fair to assume a beginner can get into this as his first distro and maintain a functioning system without breaking it for atleast 1 year without doing anything crazy ?
[/quote]manjaro is stable and stability is a top priority that is why sometimes packages are dealaied so you shouldn't have to worry about that

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you PC should be able to handle KDE but it will be kinda os slow you could test it with the live-environment

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Hi. I would recommend to try Manjaro Xfce. It is complete and relatively lightweight DE and it is official Manjaro edition. Your HDD space should be more than enough for system files. Make sure you know if you have UEFI or BIOS boot so that you make correct installation.
Also, if you really want to learn Linux, read manuals and guides. There are a lot of them on Manjaro wiki and Arch wiki. In particular read about dual booting with Windows before installation.

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Thanks botf of you,
I have BIOS.

Here we go... A little anxious about the switch but I will start transitioning to lManjaro slowly and see how this goes.

going Manjaro XFCE

There is a detailed guide here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarolinux/files/release/16.10/Manjaro-16.10-User-Guide.pdf/download

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"should be able to handle KDE but it will be kinda os slow"

Where did you get that idea. Been running KDE 4 & Plasma 5 for 3 years now.

On a 7 year old AMD Athlon II dual-core with 4gb of DDR2 ram legacy Ati-4350 driving dual displays.
Runs smooth and snappy. Uses Just over 500mb to desktop. All effects and Apps load quickly and runs fast.

Please stop spreading that Old and Outdated FUD!

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@Orbmiser If I use KDE will it give me an edge that I would otherwise learn with a less polished and feature rich GUI DE ??

what about battery life compared to XFCE

Well the Edge for me is customization over the Desktop. Things like apps remembering their size & positions on dual displays. Apps are more mature and feature rich. Dolphin file manager power to behold. Krunner desktop search any file or app or commands to run. Built in theme-ing without the need of editing config files. To powerful control of how many what size and where to put panels on desktop. To powerful widgets giving critical information that can be added to desktop or panel. Kwin for desktop effects. Which many try to add into their lighter DE's like xfce.

To the integration of phone and devices to desktop. To the apps K3b for handling of CD/DVD media, to Okular best PDF reader. Kdenlive for Video editing. Krita a powerful Digital Drawing & Painting app.

There are many reasons I choose to go KDE Plasma 5. And my first dip into Linux wasn't KDE many years ago. Back then I was pulling in half-of-KDE frameworks anyways for the Apps which were much more functional than Gnome 2 apps back then. As is many times still the case today.

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Okay I got it on Yumi with several other distros I was live testing, hopefully nothing will go while installing since its multi boot and I have several OS's on the same usb I am planning to install it from.

Still didnt answer how battery friendly it is but that doesnt matter, my mind is set for now. Thx guys.

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As for battery, well, recently I was using xfce, than cinnamon, and now kde, I can stat that on my laptop there is no much difference in battery life, maybe in case of kde it is a bit less, but it is hardly noticable + battery applet is the best in kde. :wink:

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Hmm, no :slight_smile:

But before I continue, let me first say, you are at the right place. And Welcome here! You said, you want to learn. Good for you. And it is not that much to be learned. For that (more learning, you would need to install Arch) :slight_smile: This post is from one beginner to another. I'm just starting to learn and wast majority of problems I still can't fix myself. But I don't worry and neither should you.

... Actually, it can break without you doing anything crazy. But nothing to worry about, let me explain. It can happen, that after update, you may have some problem. It will not happen often, quite rare actually, depends on your system. But it can and at some point it probably will.

Here are few tips to follow: Stay with stable. Actually, every beginner should go conservative stable route. When you see there are updates waiting for your system, don't start updating it yet. Wait two-three days. Check the forum post about latest stable update, like this one (under Announcement category of this forum):

First thing you want to do is view votes for: "No issues, everything went smoothly. Higher percentage, better chances everything will work after update, less time you should wait. But wait at least a day or two anyway. If percentage is bellow 90-85, wait longer. (let other more experienced users test this update before you.) Read first post, there are usually explanations or guides what to do.

Second, read or skim through the rest of the post from other posters. If some problem they experience happen frequently, chances are, you may experience it also. If you wait long enough, there will be posted solutions what to do in that case.

Third, you want to learn how to create backup of your data. You can manually copy, use some apps, or just copy/save whole hard disk drive or partition to some spare external hard disk drive. One good solution for this is use of Clonezila:

How to backup your system using Clonezilla:

Youtube video tutorial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JflYnwe8cTE

What to do after you restore it with Clonezilla:

Fourth - learn how to use tty, actually, you can do this right now, by simultaneously pressing Ctrl+Alt+F2 you will find yourself in front of blank, black screen, where you enter your user name and password. To return back you press Ctrl+Alt+F7. You may sometimes need to do this, if your graphic card driver doesn't loads startx correctly. 'startx' is this graphic environment where you see icones, mouse pointer, desktop...

Fifth - always have handy bootable live Manjaro DVD or USB sticks. You could use any other live DVD such as Ubuntu/Mint but Manjaro has some tools others don't have. See these few great tutorials:

How to save Manjaro Installation when it breaks:

Chroot into your existing Manjaro installation:
https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Restore_the_GRUB_Bootloader#Chroot_into_your_existing_Manjaro_Installation

Tutorials:
https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/c/technical-issues-and-assistance/tutorials

And lastly - good folks here will help you when you get stuck. When you ask for help, usually first thing potential helper will need is an output from code you type in the terminal:

inxi -Fxzc0

It is a good practice, that with your initial question, you add this info.
After that, they will tell you what else they may need from you. For example, if you will have graphic card problem, they may ask you to type this:

hwinfo --gfxcard

And so on. You may need to use previously mentioned tty to do this...

Last tip, once you have created backup, I suggest you try to do a 'chroot' thingie, use live Manjaro distro and just boot with it and use upper tutorial to Chroot once into your existing system on computer. (On a second thought, do it twice. :stuck_out_tongue:) Just so you are familiar with the steps. At some point in the future, you may need to do it, so you may as well, do the dry drill in advance.

P.s.
Yay!!!
I just earned new, undocumented achievement on this forum. My long post crashed the forum. I promise, I will start posting shorter posts :wink:

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I forgot to answer about KDE/Xfce. For beginner is better to start with Xfce. It is more stable and there are less chances that at some point goes something wrong.

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Thx for the replies I will go through all the helpful tips tommorow.
@AlManja gonna do some more live testing on both, still leaning on KDE how settings and notifications are presented is really appealing to me.

KDE Plasma 5.8 is considered stable enough to be a long-term-support release.

I've tried XFCE and thought its interface felt outdated. KDE has a much more modern interface and theming. It runs fine on my cheap laptop, so it should work on yours.

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something went wrong installing it at first time, took way to long to make the new partition so I went to sport and came back and It says something about partition failed or what what what.. ill delete all the OS's on the usb and use rufus this time and try again.

edit : Says "the installation failed to create partition on disk"

KDE breaks more often than Xfce though.

@master_andreas, KDE/Plasma works well even on old computers, as long as you have an SSD and at least 4 GB of RAM.

I haven't had any problems with it since Plasma 5.2

Start with whatever DE you want! Don't listen to these fools. Once upon a time there was only KDE, and we all ran it and liked it!

On the serious side, your hardware is more than adequate to get a very good 'experience' with KDE/Plasma. However, KDE is a very complete DE and has many settings that can impact perceived performance, so take your time exploring them. There's no right or wrong way about how you do it.

As for really learning Linux, I recommend either Gentoo or LFS, not Arch or Manjaro, though you will find Arch (by itself) goes a long ways. :wink:

Regards

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Yes, KDE looks nicer, it uses much less resources than in the past, and so on...

But just month or two ago I remember KDE upgrades had more problems because of transition from gtk2/3 than Xfce. For someone who is beginner in Linux and Manjaro world, it is my opinion that at least for first install, Xfce should be safer bet, that next several updates will go by without any hick up.

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