Manjaro refuses to update after reinstall

I recently reinstalled manjaro to start lean and mean, have this issue: Pacman broken (invalid or corrupted package)
I did every single thing in Issues with "signature is marginal trust" or "invalid or corrupted package" including the nuclear thing. All the commands executed successfully, except for the manual reinstall of some the keyrings. That command was sudo pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/{archlinux,manjaro}-keyring*.pkg.tar.xz.

loading packages...
error: '/var/cache/pacman/pkg/archlinux-keyring*.pkg.tar.xz': could not find or read package
warning: manjaro-keyring-20190608-1 is up to date -- reinstalling

So it seems that I have the manjaro keyring but not the arch keyring. I quit the initial pamac update that I always do, because it was stuck at installing knotifyconfig or something similar (It said 50 seconds remaining for 40 minutes), so this is probably because of that-any ideas?
NOTE: I can still install packages, just not update

I'm on manjaro kde.

`inxi -Fzzz` (yes my system is named danger, not a virus haha) ```

System:    Host: danger Kernel: 5.4.23-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.17.5 
           Distro: Manjaro Linux 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 2325S3E v: ThinkPad X230 serial:  
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 2325S3E serial:  UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO v: G2ET92WW (2.52 ) 
           date: 02/22/2013 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 17.8 Wh condition: 17.8/25.9 Wh (69%) 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-3320M bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
           Speed: 2968 MHz min/max: 1200/3300 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 2505 2: 2492 3: 2232 4: 3044 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.7 driver: intel unloaded: modesetting 
           resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile v: 4.2 Mesa 19.3.4 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.4.23-1-MANJARO 
Network:   Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network driver: e1000e 
           IF: enp0s25 state: down mac:  
           Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi 
           IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac:  
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 122.99 GiB used: 10.05 GiB (8.2%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Toshiba model: THNSNF128GCSS size: 119.24 GiB 
           ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB model: General UDisk size: 3.75 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 116.87 GiB used: 10.05 GiB (8.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 55.0 C mobo: 0.0 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 3383 
Info:      Processes: 184 Uptime: 34m Memory: 7.48 GiB used: 1.49 GiB (20.0%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.37 
[codic@danger ~]$ 

Have a look here if that helps to solve your issue: How to solve keyring issues in Manjaro

Wow. I didn't have gnupg installed!
Installing and trying again

I put this in a script, gonna go for a while, will see if it has worked when I come back:

sudo rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg
sudo pacman-key --init                                            
sudo pacman-key --populate archlinux manjaro
sudo pacman -Sy gnupg archlinux-keyring manjaro-keyring
sudo pacman-key --refresh-keys
sudo pacman -Syu

Fail-same error :confused: (i did not reboot yet, do I do so?)
also I note that pamac notification tells me I have 422 packages to upgrade, but sudo pacman -Syu shows Packages (432)

Oh wait. apparently, I cant install gimp

[codic@danger ~]$ sudo pacman -S gimp
[sudo] password for codic: 
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: installing poppler (0.87.0-1) breaks dependency 'poppler=0.85.0' required by poppler-qt5

Dependency hell!!

Upgrading pamac

Okay a reboot didnt help

sudo pacman-mirrors -f5

then try again, the signatures file may not be the issue. just a bad set of mirrors not accessible from where you live at the top of your mirror list.

also, how old is the ISO? you shouldn't really be using anything older than 18.1.5

I don't know-I downloaded the iso under 1 month ago.
I'll try sudo pacman-mirrors -f5, thanks.

Ok I ran that.

::INFO Downloading mirrors from
::INFO Using custom mirror file
::INFO Querying mirrors - This may take some time
  ..... United_States  :
  0.645 United_States  :
  0.757 United_States  :
  0.376 United_States  :
  0.875 United_States  :
  0.657 United_States  :
  0.527 United_States  :
::INFO Writing mirror list
::United_States   :$repo/$arch
::United_States   :$repo/$arch
::United_States   :$repo/$arch
::United_States   :$repo/$arch
::United_States   :$repo/$arch
::INFO Mirror list generated and saved to: /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

Then a sudo pacman -Syyu. Exact same error. Any other ideas?

You still get the keyring error, right?
The order in your script is different than in the tutorial. Can you go through the tutorial again, entering each command in CLI and post command and output here?

Some of the commands take some time. Give me a couple minutes

sudo pacman -Syy:

[sudo] password for codic: 
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core                  172.7 KiB  1151 KiB/s 00:00 [#######################] 100%
 extra                2000.3 KiB  2.49 MiB/s 00:01 [#######################] 100%
 community               5.9 MiB  2.64 MiB/s 00:02 [#######################] 100%
 multilib              192.1 KiB  2.26 MiB/s 00:00 [#######################] 100%

sudo pacman-key --refresh-keys:

gpg: refreshing 134 keys from hkps://
gpg: key FCF3C8CB5CF9C8D4: "Alexander Rødseth <>" not changed
gpg: key 9D893EC4DAAF9129: "Bruno Pagani <>" not changed
gpg: key 2E89012331361F01: "Evgeniy Alekseev <>" not changed
gpg: key FC1B547C8D8172C8: "Levente Polyak (anthraxx) <>" not changed
gpg: key 94657AB20F2A092B: "Andreas Radke <>" not changed
gpg: key F6B1610B3ECDBC9F: "Andrew Crerar <>" not changed
gpg: key B02854ED753E0F1F: "Anatol Pomozov <>" not changed
gpg: key AFF5D95098BC6FF5: "Maxime Gauduin <>" not changed
gpg: key F99FFE0FEAE999BD: "Allan McRae <>" not changed
gpg: key 6BC26A17B9B7018A: "Alad Wenter <>" not changed
gpg: key A06B49470F8E620A: 12 duplicate signatures removed
gpg: key A06B49470F8E620A: 12 signatures reordered
gpg: key A06B49470F8E620A: "Brett Cornwall <>" not changed
gpg: key 40F557B731496106: "Andrzej Giniewicz (giniu) <>" not changed
gpg: key 5184252D824B18E8: "Thomas Bächler (Arch Linux Master Key) <>" not changed
gpg: key 7EFD567D4C7EA887: "Ionut Biru (Arch Linux Master Key) <>" not changed
gpg: key A04F9397CDFD6BB0: "Dan McGee (Arch Linux Master Key) <>" not changed
gpg: key 3348882F6AC6A4C2: "Pierre Schmitz (Arch Linux Master Key) <>" not changed
gpg: key A88E23E377514E00: "Florian Pritz (Arch Linux Master Key) <>" not changed
gpg: key 9B729B06A680C281: "Bartłomiej Piotrowski (Arch Linux Master Key) <>" not changed
gpg: key D6D055F927843F1C: "Levente Polyak (Arch Linux Master Key) <>" not changed
gpg: key BA1DFB64FFF979E7: "Allan McRae (Arch Linux Master Key) <>" not changed
gpg: key 46F633CBB0EB4BF2: "Filipe Laíns (FFY00) <>" not changed
gpg: key 90CB3D62C13D4796: "farseerfc <>" not changed
gpg: key A6234074498E9CEE: 1 duplicate signature removed
gpg: key A6234074498E9CEE: 1 signature reordered
gpg: key A6234074498E9CEE: "Christian Hesse <>" not changed
gpg: key FCAC9CF5A6EE1209: 1 duplicate signature removed
gpg: key FCAC9CF5A6EE1209: 1 signature reordered
gpg: key FCAC9CF5A6EE1209: "Ivy Foster <>" not changed
gpg: key 84818A6819AF4A9B: "Eli Schwartz <>" not changed
gpg: key 7258734B41C31549: 1 signature not checked due to a missing key
gpg: key 7258734B41C31549: "David Runge <>" not changed
gpg: key 54C28F4FF5A1A949: "David Runge <>" not changed
gpg: key 1EB2638FF56C0C53: 2 duplicate signatures removed
gpg: key 1EB2638FF56C0C53: 2 signatures not checked due to missing keys
gpg: key 1EB2638FF56C0C53: 2 signatures reordered
gpg: key 1EB2638FF56C0C53: "Dave Reisner <>" not changed
gpg: key 5ED514A45BD5C938: "Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi <>" not changed
gpg: key 6E80CA1446879D04: "Jonas Witschel <>" not changed
gpg: key 019A7474297D8577: "Daniel Bermond <>" not changed
gpg: key C91A9911192C187A: "Daurnimator <>" not changed
gpg: key 5C2E46A0F53A76ED: "Dan McGee <>" not changed
gpg: key ED84945B35B2555C: "Robin Broda <>" not changed
gpg: key 81A402D4F382BBBD: "Brad Fanella <>" not changed
gpg: key D53A0445B47A0DAB: "Connor Behan <>" not changed
gpg: key BBE43771487328A9: "Bartlomiej Piotrowski <>" not changed
gpg: key 6D1655C14CE1C13E: "Florian Pritz <>" not changed
gpg: key EEEEE2EEEE2EEEEE: "Gaetan Bisson <>" not changed
gpg: key B61DBCE10901C163: "Balló György <>" not changed
gpg: key 4AC5588F941C2A25: "Antonio Rojas <>" not changed
gpg: key 06096A6AD1CEDDAC: 1 signature not checked due to a missing key
gpg: key 06096A6AD1CEDDAC: "Laurent Carlier <>" not changed
gpg: key 50FB9B273A9D0BB5: "Johannes Löthberg <>" not changed
gpg: key FE763A64F5E54FD6: "kpcyrd <>" not changed
gpg: key 396E3E25BAB142C1: "Kyle Keen <>" not changed
gpg: key 89AA27231C530226: "Konstantin Gizdov <>" not changed
gpg: key A3D9562A589874AB: "Jürgen Hötzel (Arch Linux developer key) <>" not changed
gpg: key 332C9C40F40D2072: "Jonathan Steel <>" not changed
gpg: key 24E4CDB0013C2580: "Jaroslav Lichtblau <>" not changed
gpg: key 37E0AF1FDA48F373: "Jerome Leclanche <>" not changed
gpg: key 976AC6FA3B94FA10: "Jan de Groot <>" not changed
gpg: key C06086337C50773E: "Jelle van der Waa <>" not changed
gpg: key DB323392796CA067: 1 signature not checked due to a missing key
gpg: key DB323392796CA067: "Ike Devolder <>" not changed
gpg: key E8F18BA1615137BC: "Ionut Biru <>" not changed
gpg: key A5E9288C4FA415FA: "Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig) <>" not changed
gpg: key DA6426DD215B37AD: "Guillaume ALAUX <>" not changed
gpg: key F22FB1D78A77AEAB: "Giancarlo Razzolini (grazzolini) <>" not changed
gpg: key B7310AE5F04569AE: "Giovanni Scafora <>" not changed
gpg: key 786C63F330D7CB92: 28 signatures not checked due to missing keys
gpg: key 786C63F330D7CB92: "Felix Yan <>" not changed
gpg: key EB763B4E9DB887A6: "Thore Bödecker <>" not changed
gpg: key 9C02FF419FECBE16: "Morten Linderud <>" not changed
gpg: key 51E8B148A9999C34: "Evangelos Foutras <>" not changed
gpg: key 3FDDD575826C5C30: "Chih-Hsuan Yen <>" not changed
gpg: key 1D1F0DC78F173680: "Xyne. (key #3) <>" not changed
gpg: key 22E3B67B4A86FDE7: "Dan Printzell <>" not changed
gpg: key 771DF6627EDF681F: "Tobias Powalowski <>" not changed
gpg: key 284FC34C8E4B1A25: "Thomas Bächler <>" not changed
gpg: key C847B6AEB0544167: "Nicola Squartini <>" not changed
gpg: key 39E4B877E62EB915: "Sven-Hendrik Haase <>" not changed
gpg: key 65C110C1EA433FC7: "Sergej Pupykin <>" not changed
gpg: key D21461E3DFE2060D: "Christian Rebischke (Arch Linux Security Team-Member) <>" not changed
gpg: key 8DBD63B82072D77A: 1 duplicate signature removed
gpg: key 8DBD63B82072D77A: 1 signature not checked due to a missing key
gpg: key 8DBD63B82072D77A: 1 signature reordered
gpg: key 8DBD63B82072D77A: "Sébastien Luttringer <>" not changed
gpg: key 456C7A9B91B842AE: "Jakob Gruber <>" not changed
gpg: key 468F122CE8162295: "Santiago Torres-Arias <>" not changed
gpg: key 426991CD8406FFF3: "Ronald van Haren <>" not changed
gpg: key 206CBC892D1493D2: "Rémy Oudompheng <>" not changed
gpg: key EA4F7B321A906AD9: "Daniel M. Capella <>" not changed
gpg: key 7F2D434B9741E8AC: "Pierre Schmitz <>" not changed
gpg: key 51DAE9B7C1AE9161: "NicoHood <>" not changed
gpg: key B4360204B250F0D3: "Fabio Castelli <>" not changed
gpg: key 94DD2393DA2EE423: "Massimiliano Torromeo (Personal non-work identity) <>" not changed
gpg: key 12C87A28FEAC6B20: "Maxim Baz <>" not changed
gpg: key A91764759326B440: "Lukas Fleischer <>" not changed
gpg: key 3A726C6170E80477: "Роман Кирилич (Roman Kyrylych) <>" not changed
gpg: key 6D1A9E70E19DAA50: 1 duplicate signature removed
gpg: key 6D1A9E70E19DAA50: 1 signature reordered
gpg: key 6D1A9E70E19DAA50: "Peter Richard Lewis <>" not changed
gpg: key B9113D1ED21E1A55: "Kaiting Chen <>" not changed
gpg: key 5F946DED983D4366: "Justin Davis (juster) <>" not changed
gpg: key AF7EF7873CFD4BB6: "Jonathan Conder <>" not changed
gpg: key 654B877A0864983E: "Martin Wimpress ( <>" not changed
gpg: key 59B3122E2FA915EC: "Alexandre Filgueira <>" not changed
gpg: key FCF2CB179205AC90: "Eric Belanger <>" not changed
gpg: key 5FA5E5544F010D48: "Daniel Wallace (AutoDesk) <>" not changed
gpg: key F2DBB4931985A992: "Dieter Plaetinck <>" not changed
gpg: key 761FAD69BA06C6A9: "Dicebot <>" not changed
gpg: key E613C09CB4440678: "Daniel Isenmann <>" not changed
gpg: key A001876699AD6E84: "Gavin Marciniak-Bisesi <>" not changed
gpg: key E2539214C6C11350: "Federico Cinelli <>" not changed
gpg: key E6B456CAF15447D5: "Federico Cinelli <>" not changed
gpg: key 7F2A16726521E06D: "Christopher Brannon <>" not changed
gpg: key E62F853100F0D0F0: "Gaetan Bisson <>" not changed
gpg: 100 keys processed so far
gpg: key 42A1DB15EC133BAD: "Angel Velásquez <>" not changed
gpg: key F3E1D5C5D30DB0AD: "Andrea Scarpino <>" not changed
gpg: key 9BDCF497A4BBCC7F: "Pierre Neidhardt <>" not changed
gpg: key 1F0CD4921ECAA030: "Baptiste Jonglez <>" not changed
gpg: key 8DB9F8C18DF53602: "Stefano Capitani <>" not changed
gpg: key DAD3B211663CA268: "Bernhard Landauer <>" not changed
gpg: key 62443D89B35859F8: "artoo ( <>" not changed
gpg: key 137C934B5DCB998E: "artoo <>" not changed
gpg: key 2C089F09AC97B894: "Ramon Buldó <>" not changed
gpg: key 8934292D604F8BA2: "Alexandru Ianu <>" not changed
gpg: key 2B80869C5C0102A6: "Rob McCathie <>" not changed
gpg: key 363DFFFD59152F77: "Roland Singer (Manjaro Linux) <>" not changed
gpg: key CAA6A59611C7F07E: "Philip Müller (Called Little) <>" not changed
gpg: key 5BD96CC4247B52CC: "Guillaume Benoit (Guinux) <>" not changed
gpg: key 5CED81B7C2E5C0D2: "Xyne. <>" not changed
gpg: key 097D629E437520BD: "Vesa Kaihlavirta <>" not changed
gpg: key 39E4F17F295AFBF4: "Thorsten Töpper <>" not changed
gpg: key E711306E3C4F88BC: "Timothy Redaelli <>" not changed
gpg: key C8880A6406361833: "Tom Gundersen <>" not changed
gpg: key F9E712E59AF5F22A: "Daniel Micay <>" not changed
gpg: key 7FB1A3800C84C0A5: "Thomas Dziedzic <>" not changed
gpg: key EA6836E1AB441196: "Stéphane Gaudreault <>" not changed
gpg: key 73B8ED52F1D357C1: "Lukas Jirkovsky <>" not changed
gpg: key CF7037A4F27FB7DA: "speps <>" not changed
gpg: key 81AF739EC0711BF1: "Rashif Rahman (Ray) <>" not changed
gpg: key 084A7FC0035B1D49: "Dan Johansen (Manjaro) <>" not changed
gpg: key CEE477135C5872B0: "Helmut Stult (schinfo) <>" not changed
gpg: key 1817DC63CD3B5DF5: "Thanos Apostolou (manjaro maintainer) <>" not changed
gpg: key 8238651DDF5E0594: "Matti Hyttinen <>" not changed
gpg: key 17C752B61B2F2E90: "Frede Hundewadt <>" not changed
gpg: key 9C08A255442FAFF0: "Jonathon Fernyhough <>" not changed
gpg: key E3B3F44AC45EE0AA: "artoo-manjaro <>" not changed
gpg: key 7EC47C82A42D53A2: "kendell clark <>" not changed
gpg: Total number processed: 133
gpg:              unchanged: 133

sudo pacman-key --populate archlinux manjaro:

==> Appending keys from archlinux.gpg...
gpg: public key DB323392796CA067 is 3037 days newer than the signature
==> Appending keys from manjaro.gpg...
gpg: public key DB323392796CA067 is 3037 days newer than the signature
==> Locally signing trusted keys in keyring...
  -> Locally signing key B4663188A692DB1E45A98EE95BD96CC4247B52CC...
  -> Locally signing key D8AFDDA07A5B6EDFA7D8CCDAD6D055F927843F1C...
  -> Locally signing key 76C6E477042BFE985CC220BD9C08A255442FAFF0...
  -> Locally signing key 7C89F4D439B2BFACF425107B62443D89B35859F8...
  -> Locally signing key 1E7908935AAB9A00D6B47503363DFFFD59152F77...
  -> Locally signing key 04BB537F5BC2D399BFA72F8F17C752B61B2F2E90...
  -> Locally signing key DDB867B92AA789C165EEFA799B729B06A680C281...
  -> Locally signing key 5A97ED6B72418199F0C22B23137C934B5DCB998E...
  -> Locally signing key 75C1B95A4D9514A57EB2DAE71817DC63CD3B5DF5...
  -> Locally signing key 39F0EC1AE50B37E5F3196F09DAD3B211663CA268...
  -> Locally signing key 2D14560CDCE6A75BB186DB758238651DDF5E0594...
  -> Locally signing key 7A443CEE69B6B3777740E258084A7FC0035B1D49...
  -> Locally signing key F66AD0FF0E57C561615A0901CEE477135C5872B0...
  -> Locally signing key 35B4FF23EA9477582C2A0AF12B80869C5C0102A6...
  -> Locally signing key E4CDFE50A2DA85D58C8A8C70CAA6A59611C7F07E...
  -> Locally signing key 74C2F2CC05A0AB7D859839938934292D604F8BA2...
  -> Locally signing key 77DC01C9971AC3C39A0626F72C089F09AC97B894...
  -> Locally signing key 16DC688DF3EECC72323954237EC47C82A42D53A2...
  -> Locally signing key 2C688B52E3FC0144B7484BABE3B3F44AC45EE0AA...
  -> Locally signing key 91FFE0700E80619CEB73235CA88E23E377514E00...
  -> Locally signing key 22C903DE964E6FE321656E318DB9F8C18DF53602...
  -> Locally signing key 0E8B644079F599DFC1DDC3973348882F6AC6A4C2...
  -> Locally signing key AB19265E5D7D20687D303246BA1DFB64FFF979E7...
==> Importing owner trust values...
==> Disabling revoked keys in keyring...
  -> Disabling key 8F76BEEA0289F9E1D3E229C05F946DED983D4366...
  -> Disabling key 63F395DE2D6398BBE458F281F2DBB4931985A992...
  -> Disabling key 50F33E2E5B0C3D900424ABE89BDCF497A4BBCC7F...
  -> Disabling key 27FFC4769E19F096D41D9265A04F9397CDFD6BB0...
  -> Disabling key 39F880E50E49A4D11341E8F939E4F17F295AFBF4...
  -> Disabling key 8840BD07FC24CB7CE394A07CCF7037A4F27FB7DA...
  -> Disabling key 5559BC1A32B8F76B3FCCD9555FA5E5544F010D48...
  -> Disabling key 0B20CA1931F5DA3A70D0F8D2EA6836E1AB441196...
  -> Disabling key 07DFD3A0BC213FA12EDC217559B3122E2FA915EC...
  -> Disabling key 4FCF887689C41B09506BE8D5F3E1D5C5D30DB0AD...
  -> Disabling key 5A2257D19FF7E1E0E415968CE62F853100F0D0F0...
  -> Disabling key 540DE7083B89314CF70EA6F0C1B1AD0DA80EBF3E...
  -> Disabling key D921CABED130A5690EF1896E81AF739EC0711BF1...
  -> Disabling key 7FA647CD89891DEDC060287BB9113D1ED21E1A55...
  -> Disabling key BC1FBE4D2826A0B51E47ED62E2539214C6C11350...
  -> Disabling key 4A8B17E20B88ACA61860009B5CED81B7C2E5C0D2...
  -> Disabling key 5696C003B0854206450C8E5BE613C09CB4440678...
  -> Disabling key 684148BB25B49E986A4944C55184252D824B18E8...
  -> Disabling key 8CF934E339CAD8ABF342E822E711306E3C4F88BC...
  -> Disabling key F5A361A3A13554B85E57DDDAAF7EF7873CFD4BB6...
  -> Disabling key 5E7585ADFF106BFFBBA319DC654B877A0864983E...
  -> Disabling key FAA6840E8C3FC7F89BEE0DC8AC7AB10BCB6CDD17...
  -> Disabling key 65EEFE022108E2B708CBFCF7F9E712E59AF5F22A...
  -> Disabling key 40440DC037C05620984379A6761FAD69BA06C6A9...
  -> Disabling key 34C5D94FE7E7913E86DC427E7FB1A3800C84C0A5...
  -> Disabling key 81D7F8241DB38BC759C80FCE3A726C6170E80477...
  -> Disabling key E7210A59715F6940CF9A4E36A001876699AD6E84...
  -> Disabling key 5357F3B111688D88C1D88119FCF2CB179205AC90...
  -> Disabling key FB871F0131FEA4FB5A9192B4C8880A6406361833...
  -> Disabling key 66BD74A036D522F51DD70A3C7F2A16726521E06D...
  -> Disabling key B1F2C889CB2CCB2ADA36D963097D629E437520BD...
  -> Disabling key 9515D8A8EAB88E49BB65EDBCE6B456CAF15447D5...
  -> Disabling key 76B4192E902C0A52642C63C273B8ED52F1D357C1...
  -> Disabling key 40776A5221EF5AD468A4906D42A1DB15EC133BAD...
  -> Disabling key D4DE5ABDE2A7287644EAC7E36D1A9E70E19DAA50...
  -> Disabling key 44D4A033AC140143927397D47EFD567D4C7EA887...
==> Updating trust database...
gpg: next trustdb check due at 2020-05-31

Do I need to do the drastic measures part? It did fail, but I can run it again to give you output

yes well you may need to clear out /var/cache/pacman/pkg completely and start again. A tip for the future is never use pamac to do a large system update, especially the first after install. Instead update the mirrors using the command I gave in the earlier post and then do:

sudo pacman -Syyu

I understand. I'd suggest to the Manjaro developers to then not have notifications saying there's an update available and when clicked use pamac hehe.
So I can do

rm -rf /var/cache/pacman/pkg

What will that do? Remove all pacman packages?

Ok it seems to just be a cache. Now is removing it bluntly safe? Or pacman -Sc? or paccache?

I have bluntly removed things from pacman and yay caches without encountering an error. That being said there's probably a better way and a reason why.

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Ok done, it worked!

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