@cimarronline: I've to see on how it pays of. Manjaro-32 is at its project start. It will be a bumpy ride for sure. It depends what the Manjaro-32 Developers team decide. I assume they will reduce the effort to only two kernels. One LTS and the current one. We have to see. Which kernel do you use on your machines?
I know at least one laptop needs a pre-4 kernel (for touchpad support), so I've been using 3.16. It's supported until 2020. So I'd recommend that, if you want to keep one older kernel available.
But I understand there may not be enough demand to make it worth the effort. You've already gone beyond my expectations for supporting older hardware.
Well if it's for 32-bits machines it does make sense to keep an older kernel right?
I don't know if it is in fact neccessary. For example antiX is using quite a new kernel and it is targeted on old machines. I don't know exactly how it is patched though.
What is that laptop pictured in the beginning?
I can't throw some numbers but around me there are still A LOT of 32-bits computers, especially for not-techie people who don't change their PC every 10 years (I know, how incredible it is!).
And I've still got my Dell mini 10: Works like a charm!
So very good initiative!
Toshiba Libretto 50CT
I don't use a 32 bit machine and will never use Manjaro-32 myself, but I was pleasantly surprised by this news. I think this is another great example of the Manjaro team's commitment to supporting their user base. You guys are great!
i like the idea of keeping Manjaro 32bit around, I rebuild older PC's for ppl all the time and always install Linux, I usually use Mint Cinnamon x86 edition b4 i discovered Manjaro.
Most recently i had the idea of building an rescue USB Linux disc like Partition Magic, since its not free anymore, and Manjaro XFCE or LXQT 32 bit would be my goto DE of choice to build this rescue distro... so yea retaining 32bit manajro is a great idea, 32 bit is not dead yet, maybe 5 more years...
I am grateful for the "push"... I finally got rid of my last 32 bit machine... it's a nice feeling.
I'm really quite torn on this issue between 'I don't mind' and 'It's a waste of your time'. While I applaud the efforts and sentiment I also question how beneficial it is to carry on with it too.
you are much better spending time with more OEMs and getting manjaro shipped as a pre-installed OS like you have with the spitfire. Additionally, if you could do so with desktop systems and more modest i3 or upcoming AMD Ryzen based APU notebooks for example in addition to the premium stationX spitfire model, you will of course increase the user base further. not everyone has the funds to spend on a notebook starting at £1k.
Reason being, how much longer will the affected legacy hardware actually be economically maintainable? spare parts for systems from even a decade ago are becoming much harder to source and therefore more expensive. So, factoring this scenario into the equation, how long do you really want to carry on supporting 32-bit architecture as a community project before it gets to the point you only have double or single digit users for that architecture?
64-bit hardware is already flooding the refurbished pc market and being shipped to the third world where redundant 32-bit hardware used to be.
You are very right in general. But there are some counterarguments.
- People are more likely to ditch Windows on old machines. - It is desirable to leave them this opportunity. Other Linux or BSD or similar distros can be a good option, but for some "stupid" reasons many people chose Manjaro. They might be not entirely wrong.
- Spare parts for 32bit netbooks are still abundant. I recently bought a battery for 15€, before that it was the charger for 7€. You can 2GB SODIMM DDR2 667 RAM for 10-15€. The netbooks themselves don't get much cheaper than 50€ for several years, there seem to be some demand. Ok, I wouldn't recommend anybody to buy a 32bit machine anymore, not even for these prices.
- The maintainers of archlinux32 might become Arch maintainers when they will have automatised or abandoned their project.
I don't like the 'use-and-throw-away' mentality which is a dominant mentality - at least in the more wealthy parts of the world population.
I think that the guys - with @jonathon as a driving force and the arch32 guys - a small team is doing great by keeping the computer vaste down. Lets use those 32-bit computers till they die of old age.
My old Thinkpad z60 will live a little longer
I would to see a Manjaro -32
Updates and New ISO
Updates are already there, if you switch to x32-testing or x32-unstable.
ISO's are probably only gonna be @jonathon or some other 32-bit user creates them.
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